TrackMania 2 announced

[Forgot10]

I don't think it's going to be good if Ubisoft will have influence upon TM. Just a personal opinion.

[MasterGary]

Does that mean Ubisoft will publish TM2? Instead of DeepSilver? That would be awesome!!

Yes, they normally will
At least: in France, Focus keeps the existing TM-games and the TM Wii game announced for 2010

Btw: TM2 will come out at the end of 2010, according to jeuxvideo.com (http://www.jeuxvideo.com/jeux/pc/000340 ... ania-2.htm)

[Frostbeule]

So... Ubisoft bought Nadeo?

Firstly I'd like to express my congratulations to the Nadeo team! They deserve it!

But now I wonder how this will effect TM with regards to new game releases. Sure, the community got bored of the same 7 environments for the last few years, but I still see a strong community that enjoys playing the leagues, despite training motivation...

THat was always the main charm of TM for me. Now, I wonder if Ubisoft will want to make this a cash cow, and pump out new games with new features (and maybe new stuff like damage model etc.... gotta make new shit to sell!) yearly, or even every two years.
I fear this will make the community split up, as some people will want to stay on previous iterations, while newcomers to the series will always go to the newest game.

I don't think the choice between TMU and TM2 will be a difficult one for ET. If TM2 sucks, then yay more years of the same TMU enviros. But I believe the custom blocks will bring great diversity to tracks, and will enable TM2 to be fun to discover even longer than TMU, unless everything else remains the same.

I wonder what everyone else thinks about this.
And no, I don't like to panic over things that shouldn't be panicked about, like Swine Flu... It might not be bad at all! This scenario is just something I hope won't happen




And Frost, as I'm posting now already, I'd just like to respond to your posts.
I am one such person that changed from TMN to TMU, even after being in nWo, and having to start from zero on TMU. My decision was made because I decided it's more important to have fun on a game, even if you are a noob, than be a pro gamer and train all the time for competitions to win money.

I'm not intending to attack you.. I like you as you know, and I am your fan Mr. Champ
But really Nadeo doesn't owe anything to the TMN community who mostly insulted them. I was one of those people who thought Nadeo owed something to TMN players, but I see now that I erred greatly.
And also, I do recall you being one of the people that blamed Nadeo for the "shit landing bugs" when TMNF came out, so although you now say its a matter of skill to avoid them, you shouldn't act so high and mighty now, because you didn't know that before.

All that being said, I side with the arguments put forward by the TMU community, and not because I play TMU now... I love both games, and believe both have their pros and cons. Okay I'll shut up now.

They don't owe anything and I have tried to explain that in my posts that you did(?) read. I'm just saying it would be nice of them if they DID continue to support esports (TMNF). I don't believe in having more than 1 game for that, and neither does Nadeo as Florent has said multiple times that TMNF (or TMNESWC) was made solely for the purpose of esports. And I'd really like you to give some examples where the TMNF community have insulted Nadeo (and here I mean the esports community, obviously not the noobs). And furthermore, I'd like you to give some proof of your statement that I've blamed Nadeo for the "shit landing bugs". I am one of those that firmly believes that there aren't really any bugs in the game (high five zooz!).

[lolomax]

Always the same statement with you: "If TMN survives in esports, it rocks".
I understand it's cool for you to be able to earn money thanks a video game. But...

The important is that Trackmania remains a cool game with diversity and a strong community around the creator of the game. TMN lacks both. And I think that Nadeo being a part of Ubisoft, things will change. Hylis tries to tell us the contrary, that Nadeo will keep working on things related to community, that Nadeo will continue to develop tools to make the game more and more creatively interesting.

That's not how Ubisoft works. They just want loads of players to buy the game, no matter if they play 2 weeks or 2 years. They also just don't care about communities. I already hear people saying: "UBISOFT must do things for the community, that's in their own interest". Wrong. The "real" Trackmania community is based on hundreds of players, maybe thousands. Still, the majority of the players in Trackmania doesn't care about TM community. Most of these players just drive lolmaps all the time (on TMN some others join multigamings hoping they'll one day earn money thanks TM). It doesn't match my vision of Trackmania, sorry And these players will buy Trackmania II anyway, Ubisoft or not Ubisoft. Also, players from Asia and America will start knowing TM (as Ubisoft is a world wide company), and that ensures Ubisoft to sell let's say, hundreds of thousands of games.

TM being a part of esports or not is such an unimportant thing when comparing it to what will happen to Trackmania and its community if Ubisoft starts to influence Nadeo too much.

All in all, I agreed with nearly everything Zell said.

[Frostbeule]

Always the same statement with you: "If TMN survives in esports, it rocks".
I understand it's cool for you to be able to earn money thanks a video game. But...

The important is that Trackmania remains a cool game with diversity and a strong community around the creator of the game. TMN lacks both. And I think that Nadeo being a part of Ubisoft, things will change. Hylis tries to tell us the contrary, that Nadeo will keep working on things related to community, that Nadeo will continue to develop tools to make the game more and more creatively interesting.

That's not how Ubisoft works. They just want loads of players to buy the game, no matter if they play 2 weeks or 2 years. They also just don't care about communities. I already hear people saying: "UBISOFT must do things for the community, that's in their own interest". Wrong. The "real" Trackmania community is based on hundreds of players, maybe thousands. Still, the majority of the players in Trackmania doesn't care about TM community. Most of these players just drive lolmaps all the time (on TMN some others join multigamings hoping they'll one day earn money thanks TM). It doesn't match my vision of Trackmania, sorry And these players will buy Trackmania II anyway, Ubisoft or not Ubisoft. Also, players from Asia and America will start knowing TM (as Ubisoft is a world wide company), and that ensures Ubisoft to sell let's say, hundreds of thousands of games.

TM being a part of esports or not is such an unimportant thing when comparing it to what will happen to Trackmania and its community if Ubisoft starts to influence Nadeo too much.

All in all, I agreed with nearly everything Zell said.

I don't think we lack a strong community. the esports community is huge, much bigger than the United community. I think that we're two different communities, with different opinions of what is fun. What we have in common is that Nadeo are God to both of us. This site is a United-site, so I don't blame you for not knowing this. But I urge you to start having an open mind about things.

What will happen with Ubisoft will indeed be interesting to follow. The optimistic me believes that this will give Nadeo more opportunities to work on esports as well. Like Blizzard for example. They have World of Warcraft (United) and they have Warcraft 3 (esports).

So we will just have to wait and see, like I've previously mentioned in all my posts.

[QuikSilver]

the esports community is huge, much bigger than the United community.

Of course it is, you have more players in TMN. Now look at percentages please. Your community might be bigger, but the junk of players (like what, 500 times the TMU? i have no idea, just a guess) is also bigger.

Also, this isnt an United site. We got nations competitions, so why would it be a United site? Sure, we have less competitions, but the nations calendaryear is the same size as the united one. Only point is we are the biggest in United, and we are not in Nations.

Also, omg please dont compare TMU/TM2 with WOW :P

[Frostbeule]

the esports community is huge, much bigger than the United community.

Of course it is, you have more players in TMN. Now look at percentages please. Your community might be bigger, but the junk of players (like what, 500 times the TMU? i have no idea, just a guess) is also bigger.

Also, this isnt an United site. We got nations competitions, so why would it be a United site? Sure, we have less competitions, but the nations calendaryear is the same size as the united one. Only point is we are the biggest in United, and we are not in Nations.

Also, omg please dont compare TMU/TM2 with WOW :P

I'm talking about the forum. The majority of people posting here are United-players.

I still think there are alot more people playing TMNF competitively than there is in TMUF. I'm not talking about the junk of players playing in LOL-servers.

And why not compare?

[lolomax]

Shouldn't the one playing on only 1 environment for 4 years be the one starting to be open-minded?

Well, esports communities aren't Trackmania-like communities. Money prizes make it impossible. You don't know exactly what Trackmania United community is, but as you're playing TMN, I'm not blaming you for not knowing it.

Thanks for comparing TMU to WoW, it completely rocks xD

[Frostbeule]

Shouldn't the one playing on only 1 environment for 4 years be the one starting to be open-minded?

Well, esports communities aren't Trackmania-like communities. Money prizes make it impossible. You don't know exactly what Trackmania United community is, but as you're playing TMN, I'm not blaming you for not knowing it.

Thanks for comparing TMU to WoW, it completely rocks xD

I bought United on release. Tried it, didn't like it. Furthermore I play alot other racing games than TMNF thank you very much.

I know perfectly well that the United community is more based on "fun". But "fun" can mean alot of things for alot of different people. Some people think it's fun to win money, have sponsors, travel around the world and some people like to follow that etc etc etc.

And I'm not surprised you like WoW

[Atze-Peng]

The WoW statement was obviously sarcastic.

I don't believe in having more than 1 game for that, and neither does Nadeo as Florent has said multiple times that TMNF (or TMNESWC) was made solely for the purpose of esports.

You really think that TMN was made for eSports purpose only? Seriously, you're simple-minded.

It was an strategic move of Nadeo. With this they could support their trademark "Trackmania" and their own name "Nadeo". It's basicially an advertisement for both and nowadays a name is everything. If you have a enough knowledge troughout the world, you even can release shit (Electronic Arts) and still earn lots of money.


Also I highly doubt that Ubisoft will support TMN. At latest they will stop it when TM2 will be released, because the focus will be on TM2 and to get it sold.

[Frostbeule]

The WoW statement was obviously sarcastic.

I don't believe in having more than 1 game for that, and neither does Nadeo as Florent has said multiple times that TMNF (or TMNESWC) was made solely for the purpose of esports.

You really think that TMN was made for eSports purpose only? Seriously, you're simple-minded.

It was an strategic move of Nadeo. With this they could support their trademark "Trackmania" and their own name "Nadeo". It's basicially an advertisement for both and nowadays a name is everything. If you have a enough knowledge troughout the world, you even can release shit (Electronic Arts) and still earn lots of money.


Also I highly doubt that Ubisoft will support TMN. At latest they will stop it when TM2 will be released, because the focus will be on TM2 and to get it sold.

http://www.tm-forum.com/viewtopic.php?p=138323#p138323

read this post made by florent please. It was made for esports.

and my WoW remark was just a joke. you missed the smiley? jeez...

[QuikSilver]

it was ALSO made for esports.
sure it was designed to work great there. To reach a whole lot of people, who would buy TMS back then or TMU now, and it worked, since you have it too.

[Frostbeule]

it was ALSO made for esports.
sure it was designed to work great there. To reach a whole lot of people, who would buy TMS back then or TMU now, and it worked, since you have it too.

nono, it was made JUST for esports. THEN it turned into a nice advertise for TMUF (which makes perfect sense). But it was made for esports. read what florent is posting! (and read the rest of the topic too, there's a very nice discussion about why TMNF is the best for esports and more.)

[DeathDriver]

I doubt Ubisoft will stop support for TMNF if there are still a lot players in it. Why? Its a PERFECT advertisement for TMUF and in 2010 for TM2. I even think it could be possible, that Ubisoft helps TMNF in some eSport competitions. I am thinking about a Support ESL Pro Series in France or Germany (if Ubisoft will distribute in Germany as well). Those are big things - attracting thousands of potential Trackmania Players. Each ESL Pro Series Season in Germany about a million players are watching. With Trackmania being present on the Intel Friday Night Games (smth like soccer live matches on one friday evening-night) with thousands of visitors each and being present on the ESL Pro Series Finals with 10.000 ppl visiting (.... dreams ...) A LOT new players can be found for Trackmania AND Trackmania 2. Why? They try both! I talked to a lot ppl not knowing Trackmania before on Events like ESL Pro Series Final in United Kingdom in London or the O2 World tour in Hamburg lately: All were impressed, they loved Trackmania Nations Forever and as soon as I told them that this is only 1/7 of the full game they were even more impressed! Some played the game FOR HOURS BY STANDING - there were no chairs! They asked for the links to download the game and that they want to buy the full game if they like the 1/7! It is just insane if you are on such events and see HOW ppl LOVE that game. I could do that all day.

U see what eSport is doing to Trackmania? It is also keeping the community alive! Most of you is thinking "Oh fuck, new community members from TMNF they are kiddies and flam0rs" It's not the way! EVEN the TMNF community is A LOT better than ALL OTHER eSport communities. This is also a reason why they love Trackmania that much! Believe me: A community can only stand if there are new players that join it. You can't stay in your 10 ppl community all day - that wont work! (I know what you think here but this is only a exaggeration to make it more obvious).

Don't flame about eSports guys and never underestimate it - it's a very nice way to compete and it's a very strong advert in our days.

PS: And oh TMN ESWC (look at the name) was only made for eSport. Read the thread from Frost's link.

[JumperJack]

yup dd, it sounds very promising. that's probably the reason trackmania (nations) already came so far. however, big game producers tend to focus more on short-term plannings.

i hope ubisoft will be revolutionary on that aspect, though!!